The Corvette Papers “So my friend gets arrested for murder in South Sudan…” No sex please, he’s British The times, they have a’ changed From Belfast to Pyongyang If I Did It: Eichmann versus the neo-Nazis Russophilia, left and right America: a net exporter of bad ideas
My wife and I have spent the past few years unsuccessfully having fertility treatment here in London. Some of the clinics give you the opportunity to watch pornography while producing sperm samples. One of the films on offer was "Best of British Big Tits Vol 2". If that really was the best of British Big Tits, then I'm not surprised that the British porn industry hasn't overtaken the American one yet.
re: Murray's desire for a term for deliberately inserting inflammatory ideas into the discourse and refusing to defend them. May I suggest "intellectual arson"?
It should be noted that when Boris Johnson had ‘people over for drinks’ he was pleading for the public to observe rules that essentially kept them from visiting dying, lonely relatives and a host of other restrictions. There was a human event to this story; namely hypocrisy. Nicely finessed by Moynihan there.
Further to Moynihan’s point about the end of the smoking ban revealing just how awful the bars smelled without noxious cigarette smoke to mask the foul odor - MM’s comments sparked this distant memory: one of the unintended consequences of the smoking ban was that the newly fresh air allowed patrons to smell ........ the body of the missing person hidden between the walls.
‘“Police were summoned to the popular nightclub after neighbors in the trendy downtown neighborhood began complaining of a foul smell, the National Post said.” If not for a recent citywide ban on smoking in bars, they might never have found the body, police said.’
I enjoyed this episode and thought it was quite good. But I have one fairly major gripe...
They commit the same error I see a lot of conservatives and libertarians commit and I can't help but think it's some sort of motivated reasoning. If I were to spell out the hidden assumptions it would be:
1. Both parties are in a good state and being nice and copacetic.
2. The left does or believes something crazy.
3. The only error in the right is that they take the bait and become reactionary and do something crazy in response.
In reality I think the truth is more along the lines of one of the following two notions (or a combination)
1. Both parties have been doing stupid things and it's impossible to tell where along this war of escalation which one was more at fault than the other. But we are escalating our mutual stupidity.
2. Republicans have done plenty of stupid things that were stupid on their own and not just responses to the left's stupidity.
(I'm taking it as a given that the left has been doing stupid things, we all agree on that.)
As the democratically socialist-inclined member of this pod fam, I see both sides refusing to debate important issues. If you’re banking on debating with people like Diangelo or Kendi, look elsewhere. Liberalism refuses to acknowledge class struggle while only acknowledging the importance of identity. I don’t think you’ll find Murray on a mainstream lefty outlet, not out of fear of debate, but more that his views on immigration and whiteness are morally reprehensible for PC-culture. Im glad to have listened for where you all AGREE on this podcast, but I left this discussion hoping there would be more of a pushback on disagreements.
Murray’s views on immigration are abhorrent and insufficient. I didn’t really get the sense that he had a great read of Edward Said in his latest book and one kind of gets the sense that he’s wandering into Great Replacement theories adjacent with many White Nationalists. I think a lot of Brits get a pass for speaking the Queen’s English, but I don’t find Murray all that intellectual. I’d recommend this review on Murray’s latest book. Really makes you wonder who is the stupid person with stupid ideas and solutions. https://www.currentaffairs.org/2022/09/taking-white-supremacist-talking-points-mainstream
Sweartagod, there’s a Masshole thing going on with Moynihan calling Murray “Doug”. When I moved to Massachusetts I would always introduce myself as Edward (just because, y’know, it’s my name), and people would immediately reply, “good to meet ya, Ed.” Every time. It seemed like a totally subconscious social norm or something. Luckily I’m not particularly neurotic about it, but yeah, kinda drove me a little bit nuts for awhile. Seems like such a weirdly specific regionalism, but I swear there’s something to it.
Michael mentioned this interview with Andrew Callagahan (director of the HBO documentary "This Place Rules") and NPR's Robin Young. Worth watching IMHO.
#390 "Stupid People, Stupid Ideas, and Stupid Solutions" w/ Douglas Murray
My wife and I have spent the past few years unsuccessfully having fertility treatment here in London. Some of the clinics give you the opportunity to watch pornography while producing sperm samples. One of the films on offer was "Best of British Big Tits Vol 2". If that really was the best of British Big Tits, then I'm not surprised that the British porn industry hasn't overtaken the American one yet.
Fifth x Douglas Murray let’s goooooooooo
I was going to share Douglas’s latest podcast episode with Thomas Chatterton Williams in the Friday links post! https://nebulouspodcasts.com/shows/uncancelled-history/episodes/ep.-08-the-classics
Excited for this episode 🤘🏼
re: Murray's desire for a term for deliberately inserting inflammatory ideas into the discourse and refusing to defend them. May I suggest "intellectual arson"?
It should be noted that when Boris Johnson had ‘people over for drinks’ he was pleading for the public to observe rules that essentially kept them from visiting dying, lonely relatives and a host of other restrictions. There was a human event to this story; namely hypocrisy. Nicely finessed by Moynihan there.
Can't wait to listen to this one.
Speaking of stupid, I was thinking about that Stanford list and came up with a new entry for them.
Instead of: "equity"
Consider using: "the opposite of merit-based"
Context: originally, "equity" referred to an ownership stake. Ownership evokes capitalism or even the scourge of slavery.
Further to Moynihan’s point about the end of the smoking ban revealing just how awful the bars smelled without noxious cigarette smoke to mask the foul odor - MM’s comments sparked this distant memory: one of the unintended consequences of the smoking ban was that the newly fresh air allowed patrons to smell ........ the body of the missing person hidden between the walls.
‘“Police were summoned to the popular nightclub after neighbors in the trendy downtown neighborhood began complaining of a foul smell, the National Post said.” If not for a recent citywide ban on smoking in bars, they might never have found the body, police said.’
https://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2003/12/07/DJs-mummified-body-found-in-club-wall/72001070836281/
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/foul-play-not-likely-in-mans-death-police-say/article18439596/
This was better than I'd hoped.
Well done fellas
Perfect forum for Douglas. Bringing out the big brain and the brilliant sense of humour ❤️
I enjoyed this episode and thought it was quite good. But I have one fairly major gripe...
They commit the same error I see a lot of conservatives and libertarians commit and I can't help but think it's some sort of motivated reasoning. If I were to spell out the hidden assumptions it would be:
1. Both parties are in a good state and being nice and copacetic.
2. The left does or believes something crazy.
3. The only error in the right is that they take the bait and become reactionary and do something crazy in response.
In reality I think the truth is more along the lines of one of the following two notions (or a combination)
1. Both parties have been doing stupid things and it's impossible to tell where along this war of escalation which one was more at fault than the other. But we are escalating our mutual stupidity.
2. Republicans have done plenty of stupid things that were stupid on their own and not just responses to the left's stupidity.
(I'm taking it as a given that the left has been doing stupid things, we all agree on that.)
I love Douglas Murray because no matter what he says he always sounds so posh and dignified 😄
Moynihan won’t be the only neocon 😉. I wholly approve.
As the democratically socialist-inclined member of this pod fam, I see both sides refusing to debate important issues. If you’re banking on debating with people like Diangelo or Kendi, look elsewhere. Liberalism refuses to acknowledge class struggle while only acknowledging the importance of identity. I don’t think you’ll find Murray on a mainstream lefty outlet, not out of fear of debate, but more that his views on immigration and whiteness are morally reprehensible for PC-culture. Im glad to have listened for where you all AGREE on this podcast, but I left this discussion hoping there would be more of a pushback on disagreements.
Murray’s views on immigration are abhorrent and insufficient. I didn’t really get the sense that he had a great read of Edward Said in his latest book and one kind of gets the sense that he’s wandering into Great Replacement theories adjacent with many White Nationalists. I think a lot of Brits get a pass for speaking the Queen’s English, but I don’t find Murray all that intellectual. I’d recommend this review on Murray’s latest book. Really makes you wonder who is the stupid person with stupid ideas and solutions. https://www.currentaffairs.org/2022/09/taking-white-supremacist-talking-points-mainstream
Sweartagod, there’s a Masshole thing going on with Moynihan calling Murray “Doug”. When I moved to Massachusetts I would always introduce myself as Edward (just because, y’know, it’s my name), and people would immediately reply, “good to meet ya, Ed.” Every time. It seemed like a totally subconscious social norm or something. Luckily I’m not particularly neurotic about it, but yeah, kinda drove me a little bit nuts for awhile. Seems like such a weirdly specific regionalism, but I swear there’s something to it.
Michael mentioned this interview with Andrew Callagahan (director of the HBO documentary "This Place Rules") and NPR's Robin Young. Worth watching IMHO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9fz2PYoV84