Yes, we have to talk about Kanye West Ye Kardashian again Verdict: The man is not well. And is an anti-Semite Kmele is sad. Matt is not. Wild guess: Ye is unfamiliar with Theodor Herzl Note: some people with bad views used to have not so bad views Remember “slavery was a choice?” That was pretty dumb
One point in defense of Kmele and one point of confusion:
1. Kmele says "redemption is better than excommunication" and I think this point is missed by Michael and Matt. Calling someone human garbage, even if they say the execrable things Kanye did, is not a path forward. I hear Michael say all the time that silencing people tends to lead to more extremism not less. He then compares Kanye and Jewish people to drowning puppies. He has committed no crime. And I feel bad for the man. Just like I feel bad for many of the people that hold similarly horrific views on race. I think of Daryl Davis, who converted outright Klan members by having a conversation, by trying to find empathy. That is the approach we should take. The line separating good and evil is through every human heart. We should feel for those that have crossed that line. These are generally people who are at the margins of society and may be unwell. We should help them see their errors and help them if we can. If someone tells me they are flat earther, I don't call them an idiot and write them off. I just think, they are clearly lost. I don't care about Addidas, or clothing lines, or any of that shit. If I owned Addidas, I'd drop him too. But we are talking about our actions on a person to person level.
2. I don't understand why we lament someones path to crazy town and cry over their records or any art. Eli Lake makes this point about Ezra Pound (I'd be curious if he has any changes of heart on Kanye at this point). But I will proudly listen to College Dropout and love every minute of it. The Bass Line in Billie Jean is fantastic, and I will always love it. Huge Ryan Adams fan. I will listen knowing that he says horrific shit, but I don't care all that much. Kanye's view are not my problem, so why waste the tears?
I was listening to this yesterday on my drive home sans headphones, stopped to pick up dinner and the place was quiet, only a few other diners. As I was walking out, I accidentally touched my phone’s screen, the pod started playing at the loudest volume with the guys screaming about Hitler, *every* person in the place turns to look at me as if I’m the one screaming out the name Hitler! So thanks guys, now I’m afraid to ever go back to my fave Chinese spot 😂
I made the mistake of watching nearly all of the Ye-Jones interview. I am vastly dumber for my efforts and will be quarantining for a week as a precaution.
Couple of points:
The lads wrestle with the contradictions in Ye's statements and try to make sense of it. In the words of one Kmele Foster from ages ago: "The man is completely fucking incoherent."
Ye repeatedly, consistently, and utterly without prompting said things like "There are a loooooot of things that I loooooove about Hitler". However, he never specified anything. The most he said was "you know, Hitler was born a Christian." And yes, he repeatedly said "I love Jewish people. I love all Jewish people", usually immediately before saying something about the "Jewish Media", "Netin'", or one of the Emanuel brothers. Not once did he very make an attempt to reconcile those two sentiments himself. I didn't get the impression that Ye had any great familiarity with white nationalist ideology of culture beyond a couple memes "Hitler good", "Holocaust is a lie", "jewish media". In fairness, Jones quickly changed the subject whenever Ye got started, so maybe he could have expounded at length on the subject.
Edit: basically, Ye has no ideology, has been ostracized from polite society and is now surrounding himself with the worst people. He clearly has a conspiratorial mindset, which has been discussed many times on this show. At one point he said something along the lines of"watch, this very show is proof of the Jewish Media's power. If I get criticized for this show, it's proof that they control what people care about, and have the power to put me in jail and take my money." He also claimed that he walked out of the Tim Pool interview because "The Jewish Media called him 10 minutes before I got there and told him what to say". Ye probably doesn't actually have an anti-Semitic ideology, but he does seem to have sincerely latched onto the belief that all the criticism he gets is orchestrated by the 'Jewish Media'.
Kanye seems like he's suffering from florid mania. It can look a lot like schizophrenia. I once sat in on a therapy session with someone suffering with psychotic mania and he pointed to "the four horsemen" who were in the room with him. Clinically, it gets far worse.
Morally, though, the garbage he's spewing should rightly have consequences. I wish similar scrutiny would be applied to the squad for instance.
I feel for Kmele....I still can't give up my undergrad copies of The Second Sex even though Simone et. al were legit supporters of pedophiles. It's hard when those we love let us down.
Come on MM, there is no way the vagina, virgin incel has the capacity for 3 hours of masturbation. That takes a real commitment and a lot of arm strength.
10 minutes tops. 30 seconds watching his name appear in media headlines, 2 minutes watching Kayne and Milo interact (vagina virgin) and 3 minutes for George Clooney because everyone appreciates a classic. It's fun womensplaining male masturbation.
Michael and Matt, not guilty by reason of insanity is an actual thing. To the extent that Kayne is having some sort of psychotic break, it is an excuse for his behavior. To the extent there are sane people exploiting Kayne for their 15 seconds of fame, they are the far more worthy of condemnation than Kayne. That is just my opinion & it is very possible I'm wrong.
Is Kayne a garbage human?
Is Wernher von Braun, often referred to as the father of space travel & father of rocket science, a garbage human?
As a high ranking member of the SS, he was decorated by Hitler twice, including being awarded the Iron Cross for his work on guided missiles. Wernher von Braun handpicked slave labor at Buchenwald.
He was part of a group of 1600 Nazi scientists, engineers & other "experts" the Yanks brought to the USA after WW2 as part of Operation Paperclip. This Apollo program director Sam Phillips, said in the absence of von Braun, he did not believe the United States would have reached the Moon at all.
The backbone of NASA were actual Nazi's, who were never held accountable for their war crimes (most of their identities were kept secret by the US government).
Who gets to condemn? Who should be condemned? It's complicated.
I'm Ashkenazi Jew, I think coercive government power, used for illegitimate purposes, is far more dangerous than a trio of moronic, anti-Semites on the AJ podcast.
When was this recorded? I can't believe neither the China not Iran protests warranted a mention reading the liner notes. Nevertheless, looking forward to it
The emotion and outrage that Kmele can bring to EVERYTHING except Kanye is hilarious.
It was Messianic Jewish ("Jews" for Jesus) temple. So not a temple/synagogue. Straight up a church.
Moynihan’s Alex Jones impression is a 10/10
One point in defense of Kmele and one point of confusion:
1. Kmele says "redemption is better than excommunication" and I think this point is missed by Michael and Matt. Calling someone human garbage, even if they say the execrable things Kanye did, is not a path forward. I hear Michael say all the time that silencing people tends to lead to more extremism not less. He then compares Kanye and Jewish people to drowning puppies. He has committed no crime. And I feel bad for the man. Just like I feel bad for many of the people that hold similarly horrific views on race. I think of Daryl Davis, who converted outright Klan members by having a conversation, by trying to find empathy. That is the approach we should take. The line separating good and evil is through every human heart. We should feel for those that have crossed that line. These are generally people who are at the margins of society and may be unwell. We should help them see their errors and help them if we can. If someone tells me they are flat earther, I don't call them an idiot and write them off. I just think, they are clearly lost. I don't care about Addidas, or clothing lines, or any of that shit. If I owned Addidas, I'd drop him too. But we are talking about our actions on a person to person level.
2. I don't understand why we lament someones path to crazy town and cry over their records or any art. Eli Lake makes this point about Ezra Pound (I'd be curious if he has any changes of heart on Kanye at this point). But I will proudly listen to College Dropout and love every minute of it. The Bass Line in Billie Jean is fantastic, and I will always love it. Huge Ryan Adams fan. I will listen knowing that he says horrific shit, but I don't care all that much. Kanye's view are not my problem, so why waste the tears?
I was listening to this yesterday on my drive home sans headphones, stopped to pick up dinner and the place was quiet, only a few other diners. As I was walking out, I accidentally touched my phone’s screen, the pod started playing at the loudest volume with the guys screaming about Hitler, *every* person in the place turns to look at me as if I’m the one screaming out the name Hitler! So thanks guys, now I’m afraid to ever go back to my fave Chinese spot 😂
Here for you, Kmele!
Just started the podcast, noted Kmele is doing the "reporter when someone has died" voice.
I made the mistake of watching nearly all of the Ye-Jones interview. I am vastly dumber for my efforts and will be quarantining for a week as a precaution.
Couple of points:
The lads wrestle with the contradictions in Ye's statements and try to make sense of it. In the words of one Kmele Foster from ages ago: "The man is completely fucking incoherent."
Ye repeatedly, consistently, and utterly without prompting said things like "There are a loooooot of things that I loooooove about Hitler". However, he never specified anything. The most he said was "you know, Hitler was born a Christian." And yes, he repeatedly said "I love Jewish people. I love all Jewish people", usually immediately before saying something about the "Jewish Media", "Netin'", or one of the Emanuel brothers. Not once did he very make an attempt to reconcile those two sentiments himself. I didn't get the impression that Ye had any great familiarity with white nationalist ideology of culture beyond a couple memes "Hitler good", "Holocaust is a lie", "jewish media". In fairness, Jones quickly changed the subject whenever Ye got started, so maybe he could have expounded at length on the subject.
Edit: basically, Ye has no ideology, has been ostracized from polite society and is now surrounding himself with the worst people. He clearly has a conspiratorial mindset, which has been discussed many times on this show. At one point he said something along the lines of"watch, this very show is proof of the Jewish Media's power. If I get criticized for this show, it's proof that they control what people care about, and have the power to put me in jail and take my money." He also claimed that he walked out of the Tim Pool interview because "The Jewish Media called him 10 minutes before I got there and told him what to say". Ye probably doesn't actually have an anti-Semitic ideology, but he does seem to have sincerely latched onto the belief that all the criticism he gets is orchestrated by the 'Jewish Media'.
Kanye seems like he's suffering from florid mania. It can look a lot like schizophrenia. I once sat in on a therapy session with someone suffering with psychotic mania and he pointed to "the four horsemen" who were in the room with him. Clinically, it gets far worse.
Morally, though, the garbage he's spewing should rightly have consequences. I wish similar scrutiny would be applied to the squad for instance.
I feel for Kmele....I still can't give up my undergrad copies of The Second Sex even though Simone et. al were legit supporters of pedophiles. It's hard when those we love let us down.
Oh man, Kmele sounds so depressed
It's kinda weird listening to an episode which only has Kmele saying we gotta go once. I feel cheated.
Come on MM, there is no way the vagina, virgin incel has the capacity for 3 hours of masturbation. That takes a real commitment and a lot of arm strength.
10 minutes tops. 30 seconds watching his name appear in media headlines, 2 minutes watching Kayne and Milo interact (vagina virgin) and 3 minutes for George Clooney because everyone appreciates a classic. It's fun womensplaining male masturbation.
Michael and Matt, not guilty by reason of insanity is an actual thing. To the extent that Kayne is having some sort of psychotic break, it is an excuse for his behavior. To the extent there are sane people exploiting Kayne for their 15 seconds of fame, they are the far more worthy of condemnation than Kayne. That is just my opinion & it is very possible I'm wrong.
Is Kayne a garbage human?
Is Wernher von Braun, often referred to as the father of space travel & father of rocket science, a garbage human?
As a high ranking member of the SS, he was decorated by Hitler twice, including being awarded the Iron Cross for his work on guided missiles. Wernher von Braun handpicked slave labor at Buchenwald.
He was part of a group of 1600 Nazi scientists, engineers & other "experts" the Yanks brought to the USA after WW2 as part of Operation Paperclip. This Apollo program director Sam Phillips, said in the absence of von Braun, he did not believe the United States would have reached the Moon at all.
The backbone of NASA were actual Nazi's, who were never held accountable for their war crimes (most of their identities were kept secret by the US government).
Who gets to condemn? Who should be condemned? It's complicated.
I'm Ashkenazi Jew, I think coercive government power, used for illegitimate purposes, is far more dangerous than a trio of moronic, anti-Semites on the AJ podcast.
Chappelle clip referenced, I think. Apparently it only aired as a "director cut" thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLsvH7_EF34
When was this recorded? I can't believe neither the China not Iran protests warranted a mention reading the liner notes. Nevertheless, looking forward to it
Fyi it was not a synagogue - it was a messianic church - they are not Jewish it was not a synagogue.