Oh dear. Watching the New Hampshire returns, the lads do a spot-on impression of the good old, liquor-soaked days of 2016 Fifth Column and get pretty deep in their cups…so yeah, sorry about this one. Trump wins Cutting from Trump’s dumb speech 20 percent for Dean Phillips
Nah, it’s just that last week’s free episode was released (and I think recorded?) really late. Kmele’s visit has thrown the regular schedule into chaos!
Without Reagans immigration policy/amnesty, it's likely I wouldn't have met my wife. She was born in a small village in the central valley of Oaxaca, Mexico, in 1988. 6 months later, she began having health problems that couldn't be helped in the village due to lack of medical care, her parents immigrated to Vista, CA, a 2000 mi journey from Oaxaca. Side note: my wife didn't become a citizen until she was 26 and she was 6 months old when she arrived in the US. In short, becoming a US citizen is really fucking difficult.
It's fascinating how much of our lives are impacted by chance. My grandpa's outlook is our journey through life comes down to being in the right at the right time and luck. It's a vague statement, but it rings true to him for a few reasons. My grandpa is 99 years old, nearly 100, and is a WW2 vet. He served in the Machine Records Units during the Normandy invasion. Luckily he was smart enough and had the math skills necessary to operate the IBM punch card machines, which kept him off the front lines. He was also part of and witness to the liberation of Ohrdruf concentration camp, the first concentration camp liberated by the US Army on April 4, 1945. My grandpa was 20 years old at the time. He told me the story of Ohrdruf a few years ago, and the last thing he said was "20 years should never witness such things." I'll never forget the look in his eyes as he finished the story. The look of sadness, disgust, and pain from a scar so deep said more than his words ever could.
As a parent of a child who would’ve been clinically diagnosed as “mentally retarded” some time ago I condone Matt’s use of the word. I’m the one that has to spend the rest of my life changing diapers of an adult person and go to my deathbed wondering what family members will have the burden of care or what terrible group home she will be placed in- and yet I still have to worry every time what verbiage I use in explaining her disability to randoms because of god damn political correctness and someone possibly being offended on behalf of some imagined slight against those who have no ability to cognitively know what an offense is- my life would be much easier if I could just say yeah she’s mentally retarded and everyone would understand. And Vivek deserves every bit of that description when he says something retarded. Couldn’t be more clear.
Cheers guys thank you for your output recently it makes my day every time I get the notification.
Thanks for sharing that, Kevin. That’s a full load. (Not meant as a smart-alecky reference to the diapers). I hope everything works out.
What a silly people we are that we’re too sensitive to hear, too cautious to say words, or pretend to be. Not us, but other people. “The R-word,” “the N-word,” “the C-word”...”the L-word.” How can we move forward as a society if we can’t communicate fully and honestly? It’s nice to be polite, it’s a nuisance to be politically correct.
Several years back I was standing with a teen with Down’s and some other kids were sort of acting up. (I work w/ kids w/ various disabilities) Teen says “you guys are being retarded.” His mom was taken aback, all “where did you hear that word?!”
She asked me what she should do. I said she could warn him how people can be sensitive to the word and/or let him use it in the way it’s used in conversation bc he’s using it correctly. We ended up agreeing those boys were being “retarded.”
Reminds me of the George Carlin routine about how language has increasingly gotten softer over the decades as a way to gloss over unpleasant truths. Changing the language doesn't change the underlying difficulties of the situation, and sometimes you need strong language to express strong realities.
Yep, that's the one. I find a lot of the later Carlin a hit or a big miss, but you have to admit it was high time someone took on those "handi-capables".
Much respect, Kevin. I'm the son of a milkman, and many of my Dad's customers were the state group homes in NY. There were some exceptions, but I would say that the staff that worked in those homes were caring and patient individuals. It definitely was great perspective though to take in as an adolescent and throughout my teenage years. Some people are dealt a bad hand in life through no fault of anyone, and so I learned to always be thankful even if your 'hand' isn't the best. I still choke up when I think of one individual, Glenn. Glenn could walk, see, and hear, but his communication was limited to grunts and he was severely cross-eyed. From what my Dad and I were told, Glenn was almost always either upset or morose. The ONE exception was when we would show up in the milk truck for our weekly delivery. My Dad would always leave an empty crate behind so that Glenn could take it back to the truck. This was Glenn's way of being useful, of having a purpose, something that he otherwise didn't have. The smile in his face and the glint in his eye are still clear as day since I probably last saw him 25 years or so ago.
My uncle and his then wife worked in NYS group homes during their college years and for a little while after, at which time they both left the system to pursue more traditional teaching careers. But the experience moved them so much that they adopted two children during their marriage. One was a baby girl who was the result of a rape upon a woman with intellectual disabilities, and the other was a girl who suffered severe brain injuries when her mother threw the then three year-old down the stairs as a form of 'discipline'. This is all to say that I've had a lot of exposure through the years to the community of the 'retarded'. It's probably the hardest thing in the world to endure, but it also gives you the amazing gift of perspective.
The kicker for me was reading about Kamala's ancestry: her mother came from the Brahmin caste, the GOATS of Oppression, which is why she made it to Berkeley in the first place. Her father's grandfather (or great- perhaps) made his fortune via the slave trade, as some sort of middleman slave trader. But she was a POC and a female so the fact of her privilege, literally acquired from the subjugation of other POC, was buried.
I don't give her credit or blame for who her ancestors were.
But she DOES deserve blame or criticism for claiming as a young girl that she celebrated Kwanzaa with multiple generations of her East-Indian family.
Kamala's parents had a contentious breakup and messy custody hearing when Kamala was 5 yrs old and her father moved backed to Jamaica. At this point the invention of Kwanzaa in the LA/Compton area was 3 years old.
Did Kamala, now living with her East Indian mom and her East Indian Grandparents (in San Francisco and later Quebec) adopt a truly obscure and newly invented black power holiday and celebrate it together as she has described despite the holiday being younger than she was, and despite her mother having broken off contact after a contentious divorce from her Jamaican dad, who himself was not a pan-african Kwanzaa type?
Did her Indian mom and grandparents truly buy and use a Kwanzaa Kinara, and light it while discussing the new holiday's "7 principles", all within 5-10 years of the invention of this new african american tradition by radical fringe located hundreds of miles from where they lived.
Agreed, her ancestry is not her fault. I do, however, question my fellow Americans who patted themselves on the back for their female POC vote, completely ignoring some awkward truths. If a run-of-the-mill white guy had the same pedigree, the outcry would still be ringing in my ears.
It's biden had a different VP, there would be no question in the polls and in the final tally as to whether who won. The Democrats just don't understand the American people and don't understand how to run a campaign
It’s impressive how effective both the democrats and republicans are at shooting themselves in the foot when they could just absolutely run the tables if they had any inkling of self awareness and ability to read the room
That's funny. If you don't know Tyler Cowen you're missing out... though I only understand about 1/2 of what he says. I'm an econ geek but not smart enough to be an actual economist. I too have the dumb.
2nding that Conversations with Tyler is really excellent. He's on a cycle of involved preparation for this guests, logs excellent questions that routinely get praised as such, and then you as a listener get the reward of 'I remembered that but Tyler didn't!?' for a bunch of year in review quizzing.
I didn’t really explain this, so that’s on me. I typically feel like the dumbest of this group of fine people. Anyway, Tyler hosts a podcast called conversations with Tyler. I believe on his year in review he mentions how this is the ideal model. On second thought, how did you not get this! 😉
I used to do this with my token Israeli friend. Pronouncing Israel with a very flemmy “h” in there somewhere. It drove him nuts. “You know, you don’t have to say it that way...”
A minor correction. The horn of Africa is the land mass jutting out south of the Arabian Peninsula forming the gulf of Aden. To go around Africa and not use the Suez Canal is rounding the Cape of Good Hope. Apparently aid to the people suffering in Sudan right now is being disrupted by the Houthis. Not that anyone cares about that.
Moynihan kept apologizing for the rant but I would like to express my gratitude because listening to all of it truly helped me process the tidal wave of contempt that overtook me while that limey twit was yapping. (Triggered!)
I have so little patience for this snide, disingenuous posturing. Halfway between Amy Poehler in Mean Girls (but not ME, I’m the COOL mom...right?) and “imagine being such a pick me ass bitch.”
I’ve been here since episode 1. I demand at least one throw back episode a quarter where the lads get fucked up. Maybe not so fucked up that MM goes into a crippling depression.
But more wasted away again in Haaazzzaaaville episodes gents.
I had been reading Matt since the warblog days of 2002ish. Encountered MM in Reason. But it all came to be with RedEye back in 2009ish. The lads were frequent guests and I starters following them on this new Twitter thing. When they launched the pod, I was all in.
It is my real name and how dare you suggest otherwise! I might be able to do *oc* of Demoxracy, but Moynihan’s Eldridge Cleaver story isn’t ringing a bell quite yet.
Wtf is going on...3 episodes in a week? Moynihan really needs a job I guess
Shhh... maybe they didn’t realize it!!
Nah, it’s just that last week’s free episode was released (and I think recorded?) really late. Kmele’s visit has thrown the regular schedule into chaos!
This is the 3rd episode since then. So if you include the Second Sunday, that’s 4 episodes in a week...
Let's keep rolling. I need the sanity as they primaries come in.
I am in heaven. It’s like Christmas in January. I need the laughs, thank you gents!
If Andrew Yang supporters have an orgy, is it a Yang Gang Bang?
(I’ll show myself out.)
Dang!
Yang Bang
Benjy don't be a wang
;)
Without Reagans immigration policy/amnesty, it's likely I wouldn't have met my wife. She was born in a small village in the central valley of Oaxaca, Mexico, in 1988. 6 months later, she began having health problems that couldn't be helped in the village due to lack of medical care, her parents immigrated to Vista, CA, a 2000 mi journey from Oaxaca. Side note: my wife didn't become a citizen until she was 26 and she was 6 months old when she arrived in the US. In short, becoming a US citizen is really fucking difficult.
It's fascinating how much of our lives are impacted by chance. My grandpa's outlook is our journey through life comes down to being in the right at the right time and luck. It's a vague statement, but it rings true to him for a few reasons. My grandpa is 99 years old, nearly 100, and is a WW2 vet. He served in the Machine Records Units during the Normandy invasion. Luckily he was smart enough and had the math skills necessary to operate the IBM punch card machines, which kept him off the front lines. He was also part of and witness to the liberation of Ohrdruf concentration camp, the first concentration camp liberated by the US Army on April 4, 1945. My grandpa was 20 years old at the time. He told me the story of Ohrdruf a few years ago, and the last thing he said was "20 years should never witness such things." I'll never forget the look in his eyes as he finished the story. The look of sadness, disgust, and pain from a scar so deep said more than his words ever could.
As a parent of a child who would’ve been clinically diagnosed as “mentally retarded” some time ago I condone Matt’s use of the word. I’m the one that has to spend the rest of my life changing diapers of an adult person and go to my deathbed wondering what family members will have the burden of care or what terrible group home she will be placed in- and yet I still have to worry every time what verbiage I use in explaining her disability to randoms because of god damn political correctness and someone possibly being offended on behalf of some imagined slight against those who have no ability to cognitively know what an offense is- my life would be much easier if I could just say yeah she’s mentally retarded and everyone would understand. And Vivek deserves every bit of that description when he says something retarded. Couldn’t be more clear.
Cheers guys thank you for your output recently it makes my day every time I get the notification.
Thanks for sharing that, Kevin. That’s a full load. (Not meant as a smart-alecky reference to the diapers). I hope everything works out.
What a silly people we are that we’re too sensitive to hear, too cautious to say words, or pretend to be. Not us, but other people. “The R-word,” “the N-word,” “the C-word”...”the L-word.” How can we move forward as a society if we can’t communicate fully and honestly? It’s nice to be polite, it’s a nuisance to be politically correct.
Several years back I was standing with a teen with Down’s and some other kids were sort of acting up. (I work w/ kids w/ various disabilities) Teen says “you guys are being retarded.” His mom was taken aback, all “where did you hear that word?!”
She asked me what she should do. I said she could warn him how people can be sensitive to the word and/or let him use it in the way it’s used in conversation bc he’s using it correctly. We ended up agreeing those boys were being “retarded.”
As a parent...Thanks for sharing indeed. Good vibes your way.
Reminds me of the George Carlin routine about how language has increasingly gotten softer over the decades as a way to gloss over unpleasant truths. Changing the language doesn't change the underlying difficulties of the situation, and sometimes you need strong language to express strong realities.
"Passed away" is in that bit, right?
Yep, that's the one. I find a lot of the later Carlin a hit or a big miss, but you have to admit it was high time someone took on those "handi-capables".
I guess I could just search YouTube.
Softer language:
https://youtu.be/vuEQixrBKCc?si=-zW5yDokmYHszFBf
Fuck he's so goddamn amazing. He 100% earns his line about treating Vietnam vets PTSD. 🤣
Also "pass away" is in that clip.
Much respect, Kevin. I'm the son of a milkman, and many of my Dad's customers were the state group homes in NY. There were some exceptions, but I would say that the staff that worked in those homes were caring and patient individuals. It definitely was great perspective though to take in as an adolescent and throughout my teenage years. Some people are dealt a bad hand in life through no fault of anyone, and so I learned to always be thankful even if your 'hand' isn't the best. I still choke up when I think of one individual, Glenn. Glenn could walk, see, and hear, but his communication was limited to grunts and he was severely cross-eyed. From what my Dad and I were told, Glenn was almost always either upset or morose. The ONE exception was when we would show up in the milk truck for our weekly delivery. My Dad would always leave an empty crate behind so that Glenn could take it back to the truck. This was Glenn's way of being useful, of having a purpose, something that he otherwise didn't have. The smile in his face and the glint in his eye are still clear as day since I probably last saw him 25 years or so ago.
My uncle and his then wife worked in NYS group homes during their college years and for a little while after, at which time they both left the system to pursue more traditional teaching careers. But the experience moved them so much that they adopted two children during their marriage. One was a baby girl who was the result of a rape upon a woman with intellectual disabilities, and the other was a girl who suffered severe brain injuries when her mother threw the then three year-old down the stairs as a form of 'discipline'. This is all to say that I've had a lot of exposure through the years to the community of the 'retarded'. It's probably the hardest thing in the world to endure, but it also gives you the amazing gift of perspective.
The last several years have been so on-the-nose Veepesque that I’m afraid we are predestined to an accidental Kamala administration.
The kicker for me was reading about Kamala's ancestry: her mother came from the Brahmin caste, the GOATS of Oppression, which is why she made it to Berkeley in the first place. Her father's grandfather (or great- perhaps) made his fortune via the slave trade, as some sort of middleman slave trader. But she was a POC and a female so the fact of her privilege, literally acquired from the subjugation of other POC, was buried.
I don't give her credit or blame for who her ancestors were.
But she DOES deserve blame or criticism for claiming as a young girl that she celebrated Kwanzaa with multiple generations of her East-Indian family.
Kamala's parents had a contentious breakup and messy custody hearing when Kamala was 5 yrs old and her father moved backed to Jamaica. At this point the invention of Kwanzaa in the LA/Compton area was 3 years old.
Did Kamala, now living with her East Indian mom and her East Indian Grandparents (in San Francisco and later Quebec) adopt a truly obscure and newly invented black power holiday and celebrate it together as she has described despite the holiday being younger than she was, and despite her mother having broken off contact after a contentious divorce from her Jamaican dad, who himself was not a pan-african Kwanzaa type?
Did her Indian mom and grandparents truly buy and use a Kwanzaa Kinara, and light it while discussing the new holiday's "7 principles", all within 5-10 years of the invention of this new african american tradition by radical fringe located hundreds of miles from where they lived.
Agreed, her ancestry is not her fault. I do, however, question my fellow Americans who patted themselves on the back for their female POC vote, completely ignoring some awkward truths. If a run-of-the-mill white guy had the same pedigree, the outcry would still be ringing in my ears.
It's biden had a different VP, there would be no question in the polls and in the final tally as to whether who won. The Democrats just don't understand the American people and don't understand how to run a campaign
It’s impressive how effective both the democrats and republicans are at shooting themselves in the foot when they could just absolutely run the tables if they had any inkling of self awareness and ability to read the room
Ooooh my. Pls just no. Even my progressive friend is afraid of a Kamala admin.
You can’t see what can be, unburdened by what has been.
Haaaazzaaaaaa!!!!!!!
At this point, you might as well make it a daily podcast.
Tyler Cowen says this is the ideal model!
I want to understand the reference and be cool but I have the dumb.
That's funny. If you don't know Tyler Cowen you're missing out... though I only understand about 1/2 of what he says. I'm an econ geek but not smart enough to be an actual economist. I too have the dumb.
2nding that Conversations with Tyler is really excellent. He's on a cycle of involved preparation for this guests, logs excellent questions that routinely get praised as such, and then you as a listener get the reward of 'I remembered that but Tyler didn't!?' for a bunch of year in review quizzing.
I didn’t really explain this, so that’s on me. I typically feel like the dumbest of this group of fine people. Anyway, Tyler hosts a podcast called conversations with Tyler. I believe on his year in review he mentions how this is the ideal model. On second thought, how did you not get this! 😉
I’ll make sure it never happens again! I’ll give Tyler a spin and be cured of the dumb. Thanks for the background.
Stream on Twitch 12 hours a day!
Would they have to play video games while they do it?
They have to play Risk, whilst discussing history, but Kmele can sing Marvin Gaye when he’s bored of the history talk.
They could switch to a D and D podcast.
Jeez Moynihan on fire. One of the best ever...
Yeah I don't know why he was so hard on himself after that magnificent rant. I was ready to run through a brick wall!
I'm going to start pronouncing Gaza like I'm at a Renaissance Festival. HUZZAH!
I used to do this with my token Israeli friend. Pronouncing Israel with a very flemmy “h” in there somewhere. It drove him nuts. “You know, you don’t have to say it that way...”
Damn I hope you boys are staying hydrated 🥵
Jaye don’t discourage them. I’m here for the old school TFC
Hydrated with free listener booze 😅🥰
Matt: "Republicans aren't tired of losing."
This is 100% true. Too many are addicted to being "wronged" by everyone who doesn't love Trump.
A minor correction. The horn of Africa is the land mass jutting out south of the Arabian Peninsula forming the gulf of Aden. To go around Africa and not use the Suez Canal is rounding the Cape of Good Hope. Apparently aid to the people suffering in Sudan right now is being disrupted by the Houthis. Not that anyone cares about that.
Ok, be honest boys. Does your current podcast release pace have anything to do with Dry January?
I think they’re doing the opposite of dry January.
Dry January is the January 6 of Januarys.
They're sanding athwart Dry January, yelling STOP.
lol!!
You guys are spoiling us!
We deserve it.
Fucking a we do
Yes!
No such thing!
Moynihan kept apologizing for the rant but I would like to express my gratitude because listening to all of it truly helped me process the tidal wave of contempt that overtook me while that limey twit was yapping. (Triggered!)
I have so little patience for this snide, disingenuous posturing. Halfway between Amy Poehler in Mean Girls (but not ME, I’m the COOL mom...right?) and “imagine being such a pick me ass bitch.”
🙏🙏🙏
Not a twit. They call them twats across the pond.
Upper-class twat of the year 😆
Amen and amen. Her sort of bemused “I can’t believe you’re so stupid” attitude towards the interviewer made me say many bad things about her. Many.
I said some things right out of the Malcolm Tucker playbook.
I’ve been here since episode 1. I demand at least one throw back episode a quarter where the lads get fucked up. Maybe not so fucked up that MM goes into a crippling depression.
But more wasted away again in Haaazzzaaaville episodes gents.
Episode 1! I Fifdom founder! Im curious, how did you find them?
I had been reading Matt since the warblog days of 2002ish. Encountered MM in Reason. But it all came to be with RedEye back in 2009ish. The lads were frequent guests and I starters following them on this new Twitter thing. When they launched the pod, I was all in.
That’s great. Thanks.
It is my real name and how dare you suggest otherwise! I might be able to do *oc* of Demoxracy, but Moynihan’s Eldridge Cleaver story isn’t ringing a bell quite yet.
Will report back if I find anything. ❤️
Return: cock of democracy
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