The title says it all. The three lads were together, in the same studio, for the second time in as many months. And it’s possible that the start of this particular episode was, for whatever reason, a bit chaotic. But as we settle in with our friend novelist and journalist Kat Rosenfield, we ultimately managed to discuss a few things like…
I’m only 10 minutes into the episode and it’s already exceeding my expectations for being off the rails. I saw the comments and wow, it’s much worse (and I mean better) than I could have hoped for.
I like to think all my fav podcast folks live in the same building and make the bulk of their income from having each other as guests. I would like to see the following:
Matt on Feminine Chaos, Moyn on Bridget Phetasy, and Kmele gets to take his dulcimer tones over to Smoke'em cause those gals deserve a breather from all the doom.
I'm working late tonight, listened to this hilarious episode - ending with how Moynihan would never watch the film version of London Fields.
Laughing my face off, so I scroll to some old episodes to keep it going, happened upon #357 with Lara Bazelon, and lost it, when 5 minutes in Moynihan admits to watching London Fields and how bad it was, weird timing, because I definitely wasn't looking to bust him out, but thought it was so funny that was what came up right away
My crush on him still stands, he makes me laugh til I cry, especially when he's showing off for Megan
Kat "Rosenfeld" was amazing. Loved it. I also absolutely relate personally to her story on many levels. I haven't made it to her level of success, and I'm not a journalist, but I am a YA novelist and I had many experiences with rejection based on being a WSM (White Straight Male). I started writing my novel in 2008 but it wasn't until hiring a former Random House editor that I began getting literary agents interested in reading the full book. One read it three times and wrote me glowing emails...yet disappeared. This was in 2016, just at the moment Kat refers to. One agent basically said, You know, we've had enough white male coming-of-age stories; it's time for something else. (As if each white male writer is the same and doesn't bring new style, vitality and expression to each original, fresh book.) It seemed like the beginning of The Death of Art. It's true: YA was Ground Zero for fringe Left Woke ID politics; it became less a literary genre than a tired cliche of progressive politics. That's why I finally said Screw The Gatekeepers and published the book myself. And it's doing quite well.
Okay, 17 minutes in and completely bonkers. I’m shocked that this is free and not paywalled for their own good. I did listen to Kat’s episode on the Live from the Cellar, and can only assume they guys share the sentiment that cancelation is over? Or was that only about the Metoo movement being over? Either way I’m loving the unhinged episode
Candace Owens backstory - she didn't come out of nowhere, she came out of Gamergate, and if you want the backstory of that early culture war blowup, listen to the latest episode of Blocked & Reported. Interestingly, she started out on the social-justicey anti-Gamergate side, building a database of pro-Gamergate "harassers". This was seen as a grift by the folks she was supposed to be allied with, and long story short, she ended up flipping sides and took a rapid trajectory toward far-right politics. Ian Miles Cheong was another figure that stared out as an obscure anti-GGer, and underwent a similar trajectory to Candace Owens. Milo Yiannopulos was yet another right-wing culture warrior who gained greater notoriety on the coattails of support for Gamergate. On the other side, anti-Gamergate launched the careers of several ultra-progressives, notably Arthur Chu, Brianna Wu, and Zoe Quinn, and also raised the profile of feminist video game critic Anita Sarkeesian. However, the latter bunch all seem to have a much lower profile these days - basically, their high-profile opposition to Gamergate gave them a proverbial 15 minutes of fame that they couldn't sustain once that cultural moment had passed.
Kat Rosenfield is always worth waiting for. Once FC and Sophia left Meaningoflifetv it was the death knell for MOLTV. Still follow her and Phoebe and glad they kept their podcast going.
P.S. Honestly? I thought it was -Feld too. The Mandela effect?
I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG!!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Fun facts:
Kat was on the Fifth Column Bookclub podcast* before the Fifth Column.
The Fifth Column Bookclub is currently reading Blood Meridian.
* It's not really a podcast, just a series of ephemeral Zoom calls.
Kmele continues to prove that he does not have a jewdar.
I’m only 10 minutes into the episode and it’s already exceeding my expectations for being off the rails. I saw the comments and wow, it’s much worse (and I mean better) than I could have hoped for.
I haven't finished Megyn Kelly yet! But OK, this takes precedence.
I like to think all my fav podcast folks live in the same building and make the bulk of their income from having each other as guests. I would like to see the following:
Matt on Feminine Chaos, Moyn on Bridget Phetasy, and Kmele gets to take his dulcimer tones over to Smoke'em cause those gals deserve a breather from all the doom.
I'm working late tonight, listened to this hilarious episode - ending with how Moynihan would never watch the film version of London Fields.
Laughing my face off, so I scroll to some old episodes to keep it going, happened upon #357 with Lara Bazelon, and lost it, when 5 minutes in Moynihan admits to watching London Fields and how bad it was, weird timing, because I definitely wasn't looking to bust him out, but thought it was so funny that was what came up right away
My crush on him still stands, he makes me laugh til I cry, especially when he's showing off for Megan
Kat "Rosenfeld" was amazing. Loved it. I also absolutely relate personally to her story on many levels. I haven't made it to her level of success, and I'm not a journalist, but I am a YA novelist and I had many experiences with rejection based on being a WSM (White Straight Male). I started writing my novel in 2008 but it wasn't until hiring a former Random House editor that I began getting literary agents interested in reading the full book. One read it three times and wrote me glowing emails...yet disappeared. This was in 2016, just at the moment Kat refers to. One agent basically said, You know, we've had enough white male coming-of-age stories; it's time for something else. (As if each white male writer is the same and doesn't bring new style, vitality and expression to each original, fresh book.) It seemed like the beginning of The Death of Art. It's true: YA was Ground Zero for fringe Left Woke ID politics; it became less a literary genre than a tired cliche of progressive politics. That's why I finally said Screw The Gatekeepers and published the book myself. And it's doing quite well.
Lit agent rejections for my YA novel (essay): https://michaelmohr.substack.com/p/literary-agent-rejections
Michael Mohr
"Sincere American Writing"
https://michaelmohr.substack.com/
Also, WE LOVE LAME MATT.
I’m wayyyyyy too high to be listening to this episode rn.
Okay, 17 minutes in and completely bonkers. I’m shocked that this is free and not paywalled for their own good. I did listen to Kat’s episode on the Live from the Cellar, and can only assume they guys share the sentiment that cancelation is over? Or was that only about the Metoo movement being over? Either way I’m loving the unhinged episode
Moynihan, you weren’t the only one who felt bad for Kavanaugh on the stand. It was unbelievable.
She forgot to plug the excellent Feminine Chaos podcast!
https://femchaospod.substack.com/
Kat, at last!
Candace Owens backstory - she didn't come out of nowhere, she came out of Gamergate, and if you want the backstory of that early culture war blowup, listen to the latest episode of Blocked & Reported. Interestingly, she started out on the social-justicey anti-Gamergate side, building a database of pro-Gamergate "harassers". This was seen as a grift by the folks she was supposed to be allied with, and long story short, she ended up flipping sides and took a rapid trajectory toward far-right politics. Ian Miles Cheong was another figure that stared out as an obscure anti-GGer, and underwent a similar trajectory to Candace Owens. Milo Yiannopulos was yet another right-wing culture warrior who gained greater notoriety on the coattails of support for Gamergate. On the other side, anti-Gamergate launched the careers of several ultra-progressives, notably Arthur Chu, Brianna Wu, and Zoe Quinn, and also raised the profile of feminist video game critic Anita Sarkeesian. However, the latter bunch all seem to have a much lower profile these days - basically, their high-profile opposition to Gamergate gave them a proverbial 15 minutes of fame that they couldn't sustain once that cultural moment had passed.
Kat Rosenfield is always worth waiting for. Once FC and Sophia left Meaningoflifetv it was the death knell for MOLTV. Still follow her and Phoebe and glad they kept their podcast going.
P.S. Honestly? I thought it was -Feld too. The Mandela effect?